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Subject: British Heart Foundation campaign


Author:
Artie ()
[Edit] Date Posted: 08:48:20 10/16/08 Thu
Found this posted at another forum. The British Heart Foundation currently has a campaign to get Britons, especially those over 50, to exercise at least 30 minutes a day. The poster couple are two over-50's at the seashore. The woman is wearing a modest one-piece bathing suit. The man is completely nude, save for a swimming cap. One wonders whether the image was selected to be deliberately provocative, or whether bathing attire such as this is common enough that British seniors viewing it find it easy to relate to. I know myself this is a common sight at nude beaches I've been to. Were it not for the fact the man is in better shape than I, this could very well be a picture of my wife and I. Here's the image, as posted to the other forum:

http://messyshare.com/show.php/126043_BritishHeartFoundation.jpg.html

For more info about the BHF 30 Minutes campaign, go to:

http://www.bhf.org.uk/news_and_campaigning/our_campaigns/30_a_day_campaign/about_our_campaign.aspx

Last edited by author: Thu October 16, 2008 08:53:40 Edited 1 time.
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* Re: British Heart Foundation campaign -- Mike, 18:41:58 10/16/08 Thu
o Re: British Heart Foundation campaign -- Aloysius, 01:58:02 10/17/08 Fri
+ Shouldn't Your Philosophy Apply To Both Sexes? -- Carol, 02:55:19 10/17/08 Fri
# Re: Shouldn't Your Philosophy Apply To Both Sexes? -- Mary B., 13:03:34 10/17/08 Fri
+ Age -- Bill Bulloney, 08:11:12 10/17/08 Fri
+ Re: BHF campaign -- Questions for Aloysius. -- Artie, 09:34:50 10/17/08 Fri
+ Re: British Heart Foundation campaign -- Aloysius, 03:58:31 10/18/08 Sat
# Re: British Heart Foundation campaign -- Mary B., 12:12:29 10/18/08 Sat

Subject: Nude Beach Conversations


Author:
Artie
[Edit] Date Posted: 16:13:30 10/11/08 Sat
Originally I intended to post this as a response to Steve123’s very believable post in the “Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity” thread, but then decided to start a new topic. He stated that, far from being embarrassed, the naked men went out of their way to strike up conversations with the woman wearing her swimsuit (his choice of “costume” over “suit” suggests he is either from the UK or Australia). That’s been my experience too, though in a very different context.

My wife and I have visited clothing-optional beaches for many, many years (though not so much since we moved up to the Northwest). Our experience is that for the most part, CO beaches are overwhelmingly male. Picture large numbers of naked men as well as large numbers of clothed men there to gawk at the few naked or (more frequently) topless women, and you have the idea. As my wife has no desire to be some gawker’s wet dream, she always wears a one-piece swimsuit, while I am always nude. Depending on the number and percentage of women there, she might lower the top to reveal her breasts, or remove the suit altogether, but that’s the rare exception. Usually, she wears her suit the entire time. As a matter of fact, I have bought her a number of somewhat revealing suits (high-cut leg openings, plunging backs and necklines, even a white one that turns sheer when wet) to wear to clothing optional beaches, as she looks great in them but is far to shy to wear them anywhere else.

We have noticed that when she does remove her suit and goes in the water, she is pretty much left alone. Of course, with me being there the chances of a pervert hitting on her is quite slim. However, when we go in the water, me nude and her in her swimsuit, naked men seem to make a point of coming over and striking up a conversation. And these aren’t the pervs I’m taking about. Just well-behaved, usually middle-aged men, who happen to be naked. This has happened so many times it can’t be coincidence. We have concluded that many men feel the need to be naked in front of women, but in a nonchalant fashion.

Has anyone else experienced the same thing?



> she was saying that she could not take her son into the ladies', would he
> ask if anybody in the men's dressing minded if she helped her son.
> I entered the dressing room and immediatly headed to the toilets. when I
> emerged she had her sons costume off, had removed her top and was in
> the process of removing her jeans to reveal that she was wearing a modest
> one piece swimming costume.

> There were two other men in the dressing room and three in the adjecent
> showers. She helped her son to the showers and from the conversation
> between her and two of the men in the showers, I believed that this was
> not an isolated occurance.

> I joined them all in the showers. I finished my shower and was starting to
> dress by the time that she led her son back to the dressing room. I
> exchanged some small talk as I dressed and she toweled off her son.
> During this time one other older man entered and proceeded to change
> into his costume.

> It is strange, she was in the mens' dressing room with six naked strangers
> and i think that everybody felt empathy for her and her son and there was
> no visible sign of embarrassment.

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Subject: Kids in the Locker Room Discomfort Over Mixed Nudity at the Y


Author:
Oliver
[Edit] Date Posted: 14:43:25 10/05/08 Sun
This article has been post in "The Washington Post" in November 22, 1996. The author is clearly a nude prude. it would be interesting to hear your opinions.
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I'm undressing. Now I'm naked. Nearby are several little girls.

A few are as old as 6, going on 7. Some are naked, too. There are little boys around, and older boys. A few of them are naked, fully or partially. There are also other men around, and -- you guessed it! -- they are big and hairy and naked.

The little girls, some nearly chest high to a man, often appear very interested in all this. They peek or, sometimes, stand and openly stare. Sometimes the little boys and girls gaze at each other, particularly when they're taking showers together, naked. Their dads are there, too -- sometimes naked, though frequently dressed and gingerly attempting to adjust the shower knobs for their kids without getting soaked. This is not a tale of ancient Rome or even of one of those horrific child abuse cults. It's the typical scene Saturday and Sunday mornings at my dear old neighborhood YMCA in Silver Spring, as parents bring their kids in for swim classes. For years I never gave it much thought, except to cover myself with a towel or modestly turn sideways in the shower. But after that nationwide ruckus last September over a 6-year-old North Carolina boy kissing a girl on the cheek in school and getting suspended for it, I started wondering. What's going on at the Y? Clearly my own slight discomfort, I realized, isn't the significant question here -- I'm an adult, I'm not being damaged, I can deal with it. But what about the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual well-being of the children? If their schools are concerned about sexuality, how healthy is this locker room experience for them? First I decided to ask a few dads. "I haven't ever had any problems with it," said one father of 4- and 6-year-old daughters whom he'd just dressed. "It's just one of those necessities. I guess it makes some people uncomfortable: I think men have more trouble dressing in front of little girls than the girls have. My one daughter -- she's 6 -- will have to make the transition next year {to the women's locker.} My wife is here today, but most days I'm the only one who can do it." Another YMCA dad -- he doesn't take his 6-year-old daughter into the men's locker -- had a different view. "It's inappropriate," he said. "It seems weird." "It's awkward," his 12-year-old son said. "It seems out of step with our society," his wife said. I called Dave Cotten, the ever-cheerful director of the Silver Spring Y. "We get occasional complaints, mostly from the women's side," he said. "Older women complain . . . saying they feel uncomfortable having the little boys in the area when they're showering. So we put up shower curtains in the gang shower area." He said there are fewer complaints from the men, and no shower curtains have been installed in their locker. Dave added that although the 6-year-old rule is "pretty much the standard in our YMCAs nationally," he considers not having "an alternative place for people to change . . . a problem. Maybe times have changed, maybe there are more single parents who have to deal with both kids, or parents are coming separately. . . . We've tried to figure out what we could do {to} create a room for families to change in, but . . . it would be a big expense." He said newer rec centers, like Montgomery County's Olney Indoor Swim Center, are being built with family changing rooms -- so I drove out Georgia Avenue to have a look. Indeed there's a small room, separate from the lockers and equipped with a toilet and shower, but since a woman was in there with her kids I had quite a wait to get in. Clearly it would be slow going to suit up an entire swim class there, and while waiting I noticed a sign by the nearby locker room doors: "CHILDREN 6 YEARS OR OLDER MUST CHANGE IN THE APPROPRIATE LOCKER ROOM." At least they've shaved a year off the Y's standard. "Little kids in locker rooms are my specialty," joked Steve Hockensmith, a spokesman for the YMCA of the USA headquarters in Chicago, when I phoned. He said the Y's national council has "no policy" and "no recommended guidelines" on age limits for opposite sex locker room use in the 2,168 YMCAs nationwide. He said it could not readily be determined how many of these facilities have a 6-year-old rule like the one in Silver Spring. Steve faxed me an internal briefing paper on the matter prepared for him by the YMCA of the USA's research and planning department. "There isn't any one right answer to this one -- no magic age to pick that makes the problem go away," the paper says. " . . . You need to make people feel included in the policy-making process and especially make accommodations for all parties. Don't let someone feel like a loser. "The typical case: A woman complains that a 5-year-old boy is looking all around the locker room with eyes like saucers. . . . No one should feel ogled at the Y. There may not be much privacy in a Y locker room, but there should be freedom from being ogled. . . . "One complication: Some of the people who may complain about children of the opposite sex in the locker room really don't want any kids at all in the locker room. The good news is that the Y's that have listened to all parties and tried to make accommodations accordingly say that whatever their response was, the issue isn't a big deal." I phoned Evelyn Fine, vice president for marketing and communications of the YMCA of Metropolitan Washington, who said the other six Y's with pools in our area have the same rule as Silver Spring's. When I asked Evelyn what impact mixed locker rooms might have on children, she admitted she wasn't sure. "I'm not a child psychologist," she said. "I'd be interested to hear what a child psychologist would say." "You're not talking about showering naked at the same time! I didn't know that's in existence!" exclaimed Joan Kinlan, one of the two psychiatric experts in child and adolescent development to whom the American Psychiatric Association referred me for some answers. "This is total news to me. . . . I think it's terribly inappropriate. I don't think it's healthy." Evidently, Joan isn't a member of the Y. She is, however, past president of the local chapter of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, and a medical doctor affiliated with Georgetown University Hospital who has treated hundreds of youngsters for psychological problems in more than two decades of private practice. To begin with, she said, "A lot of molestations take place in bathrooms and locker rooms. Most of them don't end up in the newspapers because the parents are so afraid that their child might be identified and then suffer further. People don't know how many pedophiles are out there -- it's a lot more prevalent than people want to know." Though fathers are usually with their kids at the Y, Joan said a molestation that can inflict significant psychological damage may require only "30 to 90 seconds. That's all it takes. It creates major problems for the parents and the family, who feel their child has been violated {and} major, major problems for the kid, depending on what was done, and how it was done." Damage may result, she said, from something as simple as "someone touching their little butt and saying, `Oh, what a cute little girl.' " Even without molestation, however, Joan's professional view is that "it's pretty overwhelming to a little girl to be around a number of naked men. . . . It provides a source of sexual stimulation that's inappropriate to the age. Listen, you see kids really being sexual even as babies. They have sexual feelings, but these are not for adults to be involved with. . . . "Kids come in for therapy: Their parents are going around the house nude. In our liberal society, it's common: Nudity is in nowadays. With most parents, they don't understand why they should cover up, and they're surprised to see their kids' learning problems and disabilities just go away when {the parents cover up}. . . . You'll see a little boy with a blinking tic; he got it when he started showering with his daddy." As for the Y dads, she said: "A responsible father would realize that he has more alternatives, and exercise them." Next I phoned Ralph Gemelli, clinical associate professor of psychiatry at the George Washington University medical school. Ralph has worked as an adult and child psychiatrist and psychoanalyst for 20 years and is author of a recently published textbook, "Normal Child and Adolescent Development." "It's not okay," he said of the situation at the Silver Spring Y. "I do not think it's good for kids at this age," he continued. "Children from 4 to 8, certainly by age 6, are looking for their parents to give them rules about when they're supposed to show their bodies to anyone else -- rules about body privacy -- and whether any other adults or peers should be showing their bodies to them. . . . "A little girl who's allowed to be watching all these nude men: That's different from Dad saying, `You're not coming in the locker room, no way! I don't care what the rule is. I want to let you know you're at the age now where I don't want any man undressing in front of you. I don't do it, and no other man should. And if anybody tries to do it, I want you to let Mom and Dad know immediately!' " Ralph explained that age 3 to 6 is when kids are developing "the first building blocks of sexual identity. . . . They become very preoccupied with looking and exhibiting themselves." If they don't get good guidance then, and are encouraged to be naked with strangers of the opposite sex, they're in danger of becoming what's known in the trade as "the sexually overstimulated child." This can mess up the next stage of development -- "late childhood" from 6 to 11 -- when they're developing what Ralph terms their "burgeoning peer identity, which propels them to want to perform and produce athletically, socially and academically in front of peers. That doesn't include performing sexually in front of peers. . . . "Here's the thing. A little girl who's seeing too much male nudity, being exposed with her father right next to her, it would be a problem for other little girls she plays with. If she says, `I go to the YMCA and I see all the men's penises,' the other children will say, `Why are you talking about penises?' . . . In the first and second grades, if a child is talking too sexily, the school will be concerned, too." In addition, a child's "hyper-arousal . . . often shows up as a learning problem: A child's not learning in school. . . . He has his mind on sexual play, or looking up a teacher's dress. A teacher may say, `This child has hyperactivity, he's having trouble paying attention, he's acting up in class.' " Chillingly, Ralph also mentioned pedophiles. Studies of these sex abusers' methods, he said, show that a pedophile working as a teacher, for example, "will not make any move in a new school for six years or so, until they've established credibility. So suppose there's a lurking pedophile in a school, and he hears that a little girl was impressed by what she saw at the YMCA. "He says to her, `You know, I heard you went to the Y and enjoyed it, and I'm going down to take a shower now. " `You want to see what I look like?' " I don't know the solution -- and it may be expensive -- but at least I'm a little clearer now about the problem. "A well-meaning father," as Ralph says, "may not realize that he's inadvertently causing some problems for his daughter. . . . Unfortunately, maybe the YMCA, while well-meaning also, is sending a confusing message to a little child." Calling around to other recreational clubs, I talked with Ed Metcalfe, manager of Rio Sport and Health in Gaithersburg. "We've got an out-of-the-way family changing area," he reported. "Most families, there's a husband and wife and they take turns with the kids. If need be, we can watch them in the nursery." And the locker rooms? "We have a sign up," he said. "No kids of opposite sex allowed."

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* Re: Kids in the Locker Room Discomfort Over Mixed Nudity at the Y -- Artie, 16:45:42 10/05/08 Sun
* Nude Prudity Abounds--Job Security for Psychologists -- joe, 19:29:01 10/05/08 Sun
* Re: Kids in the Locker Room Discomfort Over Mixed Nudity at the Y -- Larry, 19:50:16 10/05/08 Sun
o Re: Kids in the Locker Room Discomfort Over Mixed Nudity at the Y -- Oliver, 09:48:09 10/06/08 Mon
+ Re: Kids in the Locker Room Discomfort Over Mixed Nudity at the Y -- Rebelheart, 20:16:15 10/06/08 Mon
* "Nudity is in Nowadays???" These Shrinks are Stupid -- Lynn, 19:37:36 10/06/08 Mon
* Re: Kids in the Locker Room Discomfort Over Mixed Nudity at the Y -- Anon, 22:50:09 10/06/08 Mon
o Re: Kids in the Locker Room Discomfort Over Mixed Nudity at the Y -- Ha!, 23:50:45 10/06/08 Mon
* And Another Thing... -- Artie, 09:07:00 10/07/08 Tue
o Re: And Another Thing... -- joe to artie, 09:43:24 10/07/08 Tue
o Re: And Another Thing... -- dj48, 22:05:29 10/09/08 Thu
* No Kids of the Opposite Sex Allowed? -- Tom (not Thom), 13:45:28 10/08/08 Wed
o Re: No Kids of the Opposite Sex Allowed? -- Mike, 14:13:03 10/08/08 Wed
+ Re: No Kids of the Opposite Sex Allowed? -- joe to mike, 14:27:59 10/08/08 Wed
# Re: No Kids of the Opposite Sex Allowed? -- Mike to joe, 16:08:31 10/08/08 Wed
* Oliver... -- Bill Bulloney, 07:09:32 10/11/08 Sat
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Subject: Female MMA Fighter Strips Down For Weigh-In


Author:
Yellow Fever
[Edit] Date Posted: 15:05:54 10/11/08 Sat
Found this link on Indian Outlaw's forum and it reminded me of a thread we had here a couple of months ago that ended up discussing whether females also stripped down for weigh-ins.

Here is evidence that at least one has done so in recent days. Again, the practice is called "making weight" and you want to weigh in as close as possible to the upper limit of your weight class without going over it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPZv-3z-j_A

The name of the Mixed Martial Arts fighter is Gina Carano.

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* Re: Female MMA Fighter Strips Down For Weigh-In -- Mike, 15:24:54 10/11/08 Sat

Subject: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity


Author:
David Band (U.K.)
[Edit] Date Posted: 06:10:59 10/04/08 Sat
I was just wondering about guy's experiences when they are seen nude by say a teenage female in different situations.

It's just that I went swimming at a school's swimming pool (part of their sports centre) last Friday evening and afterwards took a shower as normal in the men's changing room. As I was showering I noticed 2 girls probably aged between 12-13 chatting and larking about a little while showering in their swimsuits. I don't know whey they were in there although it had been rumoured that a couple of the showers in the ladies changing room had no hot water.

The thing is, I wasn't really embarrassed about them seeing me naked even though I'm really skinny, plus they would have seen my genitals. And yet, if I ever need to go for a pee outside for whatever reason, I do my best to find a concealed a bush as possible - I know that if a teenaged girl saw me peeing I'd be like really embarrassed!!

I just wondered why I would feel so different in these situations. I did shower naked at my secondary school in the 80's and I think that showering with trunks on would kinda seem unnatural I guess.

David

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* Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Aloysius, 07:55:48 10/04/08 Sat
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+ Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- joe, 22:31:01 10/04/08 Sat
# Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Aloysius, 01:01:29 10/05/08 Sun
# Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Tom Crowe, 08:58:09 10/05/08 Sun
# Women in Men's Dressing Rooms??? Right!! -- Linda, 13:00:59 10/05/08 Sun
+ Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- David Band (U.K.), 01:56:44 10/05/08 Sun
# Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Johnny, 04:42:29 10/11/08 Sat
o Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Jim, 03:35:53 10/05/08 Sun
o Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Artie, 14:10:07 10/05/08 Sun
* Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- David Daniels, 20:42:16 10/07/08 Tue
o Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Linda, 20:54:28 10/07/08 Tue
+ Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Aloysius, 02:15:40 10/08/08 Wed
# Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- joe to aloysius, 07:03:52 10/08/08 Wed
* Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Aloysius, 08:41:40 10/08/08 Wed
+ Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Linda to Joe and Aloysius, 10:06:09 10/08/08 Wed
+ Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- David Daniels, 21:14:58 10/08/08 Wed
# Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- joe to david daniels, 04:51:57 10/09/08 Thu
* Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- David Daniels, 21:41:46 10/09/08 Thu
o David, Your Church Camp is Different From Any I've Seen -- Trev, 05:38:23 10/10/08 Fri
+ Re: David, Your Church Camp is Different From Any I've Seen -- Lynn, 06:49:40 10/10/08 Fri
# Re: David, Your Church Camp is Different From Any I've Seen -- David Daniels, 14:22:47 10/10/08 Fri
o Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Allan C., 00:57:20 10/08/08 Wed
+ Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Thom, 05:33:34 10/08/08 Wed
# Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- joe to thom, 07:11:31 10/08/08 Wed
* Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Allan C., 22:26:20 10/08/08 Wed
o Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Mike, 07:43:48 10/08/08 Wed
+ Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- SalesGuy, 13:07:34 10/09/08 Thu
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* Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- SaleGuy, 17:08:59 10/09/08 Thu
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o Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- SalesGuy, 18:43:35 10/09/08 Thu
o Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- joe to mike, 19:59:52 10/09/08 Thu
+ Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Bill Bulloney, 07:11:26 10/10/08 Fri
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* Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Bill Bulloney, 08:04:30 10/10/08 Fri
o Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- David Daniels, 14:34:35 10/10/08 Fri
+ Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Bill Bulloney, 17:07:41 10/10/08 Fri
# Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Rodger, 05:59:14 10/11/08 Sat
* Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Bill Bulloney, 07:05:05 10/11/08 Sat
o Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Steve123, 00:16:13 10/11/08 Sat
* Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Firemed, 08:48:33 10/11/08 Sat
o Re: Levels of embarrassment in different incidents of nudity -- Artie, 10:53:52 10/11/08 Sat

Subject: Moderator, What Subjects Don't You Allow?


Author:
Wondering
[Edit] Date Posted: 18:37:55 09/23/08 Tue
There seem to be some posts, not offensive or insulting ones, either, that you remove. I have to think that there are topics that you prefer not to include here. Would you please tell us what these unwanted topics are? No one, I'm sure, wants to offend you with topics you don't want to see.
Thanks.

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* Re: Moderator, What Subjects Don't You Allow? -- Moderator, 21:49:15 09/24/08 Wed
o I Can See Your Reasoning, For The Most Part -- Wondering, 03:14:16 09/25/08 Thu
o Re: Moderator, What Subjects Don't You Allow? -- Artie, 10:56:16 09/25/08 Thu
+ Artie, Will You Please Explain A Bit More? -- Wondering, 16:15:29 09/25/08 Thu
# Where Did You Go, Artie? -- Wondering, 17:34:28 10/04/08 Sat

Subject: Breasts


Author:
Rebelheart
[Edit] Date Posted: 09:19:41 09/14/08 Sun
Can anyone explain how and when did female breasts become
"private parts" in the US. All the while, most of the rest of the world seems to be doing quite well in going about their business treating breasts as breasts regardless of the sex of the "wearer". From the photos I have seen, it looks like European males do NOT go into a sexual frenzy upon the sight of a bare boob and behave reasonably normal. Here, males are expected to behave like over-sexed teenagers at the very thought of a naked female.
Worse, we are teaching our children to be ashamed of themselves for nothing more than being of the human species.

When I stand back and view it, the whole breast thing in the US seems just a little silly.

Also, does the rest of the world seem to becoming more prudish like us,(sorry Thom and James), or is every area pretty much comfortable as they are? What is the country in the Western world that treats casual or social nudity in the most mature way?

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* Re: Breasts -- ogden_edsl, 23:31:20 09/25/08 Thu
* The Novelty Wears Off Very Quickly -- Observer, 08:25:40 09/26/08 Fri
o Re: The Novelty Wears Off Very Quickly -- joe, 12:28:22 09/27/08 Sat
+ Re: The Novelty Wears Off Very Quickly -- Mark J, 17:01:31 09/28/08 Sun
o Re: The Novelty Wears Off Very Quickly -- Art, 20:37:35 09/27/08 Sat
* Re: Breasts -- Chilliwack, 15:43:07 09/28/08 Sun
o Re: Breasts -- Rodger, 18:33:49 09/29/08 Mon
* A Story From A Nudist Website -- Carol, 04:34:45 09/30/08 Tue
o Re: A Story From A Nudist Website -- joe to carol, 19:25:31 09/30/08 Tue
+ A Bit Of Clothing Is More Provocative Than No Clothing -- Seth, 02:54:18 10/01/08 Wed
# Re: A Bit Of Clothing Is More Provocative Than No Clothing -- Aloysius, 02:29:17 10/02/08 Thu
o Your View Is No Different Than Most Others, Aloysius -- Seth, 11:53:03 10/03/08 Fri
+ Re: Your View Is No Different Than Most Others, Aloysius -- Aloysius, 03:59:28 10/04/08 Sat
# Thanks For Clarifying, I Now See Your Point -- Seth, 05:10:27 10/04/08 Sat
* Re: Thanks For Clarifying, I Now See Your Point -- Aloysius, 06:42:32 10/04/08 Sat
o PS -- Aloysius, 07:25:34 10/04/08 Sat

Subject: I Meet Nudists out in the Wilds


Author:
Bill Bulloney
[Edit] Date Posted: 10:05:29 09/26/08 Fri
I have an interest into older automobiles and in Palm Springs each November they hold a Fanbelt Toss for Corvair owners. A friend of mine from 1000 miles away often drives there, so in order to remain friendly with him I attend it on one certain day then. Last year he heard a rumour that a few Corvairs had been dumped into a steep canyon near to where I was living, and asked me to check this out.

Knowing how to delay doing things, it was only like one month before that I began investigating his request in ernest. One afternoon at a time as the weather was still hot. Beforehand, I talked to a friend about the rumour, he heard such too, but heard they were dumped just off a certain road, months earlier. Never thought about that.

So, I drove out to that road, found some scrubbing and other signs that work had been done to preserve it. The road used to go through to yet another one, but it was sort of cut off now, and only went in the back way to some asphalt paving plant now. The road then was only used on occasion as a secondary short cut way for the highway haul trucks to get to another location. So doubtful that I would see any traffic allowing me to rubberneck a lot.

I looked here one afternoon. Then there the following week. Came to a turn-out knoll, and it looked to be active recently due to so many tire tracks. I got out and hiked down the steep hillside then. Way-way down too. Found what looked to have been the site of the dumping, and indeed there were two Corvairs used as rip-rap for bank protection during flooding, but they (and others) were in pretty bad condition, and missing a whole bunch of parts too. So I noted such down and began the hike back up the hillside, in the heat, to where I had parked my little truck.

As I got near to the top, about 50 feet from the end of the circular path, I heard what sounded like yet another Corvair driving around, pulling up, the engine racing before being turned off. As I got to within maybe twenty feet of the crest (still could not see anything) I then heard a couple of unfamiliar voices. Not of my friend but that of some strangers. Then got high enough up the semi-circular path such that I could see across the flat of the turn-out. Yep, there was a shiny light metallic blue 1963 or so Corvair there. My hearing and assumptions were right on.

Walked around the barricade at the end of the path. Not my friend, but someone else. Plus a passenger. He waved and greeted me via the driver's window. Speaking loudly about something I did not understand. I walked over towards his side door anyway. He looks to be bare chested, and wants some information. He must have saw my old little truck, thought I was a local, knew the area, and stopped here then. In getting over to the his auto I looked in the side window and yep, in the front seat were a pair of nudists. He looked to be about early 30's and in passenger seat a pretty lady in late 20's was sitting. Both bare and naked, he was talkative, but she
was sitting still, arm propped up in the window sill, and staring directly forward out the passenger side of the windshield. Silently sitting on a towel, placed on the vinyl seat.

Within two seconds the guy driver opened up the door, quickly getting out, holding a road map, and mentioning once again, do I know the area? For it now looked unfamiliar to him, and he may be lost. He was not wearing one stitch of clothes, not even shoes, which are required by state law to drive an auto. As he finally got all the way out of the door, BOING, he also went horizontal in the mid-section, and was swinging around to unfold the roadmap onto the roof, and requesting some information as to exactly where they were at now. I was still dry, hot, looking for some water, but knew there wasn't any inside my truck, did he have any? Leaned down to window height, asked did she have any? Apparently not. She was still sitting there with a near glare on her face quietly waiting.

He said back when, that he visited a nudist resort out near the end of some dirt road, but this one was paved. I knew what one he was referring to, and explained it closed more than two years earlier, and was written up in local newspaper then too. But, that was off the end to yet another parallel road. But it was a good mile away.

About that time I could immediately hear a loaded truck coming uphill on the paved road. Not real fast but suddenly noisy. Both he and I were startled, turned to look at it. I because had seldom seen a truck or any traffic along that road. The driver was trying to "tuck himself" in between his thighs immediately after seeing the truck. We both were about to wave a Hello, when the truck driver instead hit his air horn, and was it loud.

To continue on, I told the Corvair driver of four other resorts still going today, and he mentioned they had come from that direction a hour earlier. Although local to them, he never heard of them. With which, the driver then leaned over and spoke something to the lady in through the side window and then got in. He thanked me, started up, and drove away. I had not talked to them a whole two-three minutes and as the front tires touched the pavement, I could then hear the lady begin to talk to the driver. And it didn't
sound appreciative.

Not being female, was she speaking out about something then?

1, Upset for being miles from any fair sized community on flaky information?

2, Sitting there nude in the front seat riding around?

3, Feeling humiliated being out in the "Wilds" anyway?

4, Meeting me and then being honked at by some truck driver?

5, Begin cussing him out as to being out in the wilds, not checking exactly as to where the place was at?


Bill

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* Re: I Meet Nudists out in the Wilds -- Mark J, 17:07:32 09/28/08 Sun
* Re: I Meet Nudists out in the Wilds -- Artie, 15:34:46 09/29/08 Mon
o Add a 6th? -- Bill Bulloney, 17:52:39 09/29/08 Mon

Subject: public nudity????


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Vic (what must one wear??)
[Edit] Date Posted: 17:52:43 09/22/08 Mon
I am an American--and have never seen a woman in public--topless---While on the subject I am curious----In an average US pool,lake,beach what must one cover?? I have sween guys in the Y locker room with thong underwear--but I have never seen a man in thong underwear in public. Does each town have a law about whhat must be covered? Is it only genitals that must be covered? Would a topless woamn be arrested or could a guy or girl show their butt when wearing a thong??

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* Re: public nudity???? -- Mark J, 18:13:39 09/22/08 Mon
* An Answer Is Virtually Impossible -- Fran, 18:15:40 09/22/08 Mon
o Re: An Answer Is Virtually Impossible -- Rodger, 08:29:28 09/23/08 Tue
+ Re: An Answer Is Virtually Impossible -- Rebelheart, 14:45:04 09/25/08 Thu

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